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My #IndieWeb Reflections

I have been meaning to elaborate on my thoughts on #IndieWeb for a while. Chris Aldrich’s recent post outlining a proposal for a book spurred me to finish jotting down my notes and reflections.


I find #indieweb hard to explain. In part I would describe it as an alternative way of working on the web, a collaborative community and a technical solution. I can’t remember exactly when I first came upon it. I know thought it was associated with the concept of POSSE. It was probably a part of Connected Courses and my move to Reclaim Hosting. Twitter tells me that my initial investigations were associated with Known.

What interested me was the potential to extend and own my presence on the web. Initially, I posted to Flickr from a Known instance and pulled in comments from Twitter and Google+ with the #IndieWeb WordPress Plugin(s).

More recently I have become interested in exploring ‘post kinds’ as I continue to investigate ways that I can better manage my presence on the web. In particular, I like the idea of sending comments from my site, but have yet to either master some of the technical aspects or develop a suitable workflow.

I must admit, I still get lost with some of the mechanics. I wonder sometimes if this is because I am balancing multiple spaces. I would like to better understand how the various platforms and plugins work. For example, what is the difference between Known, Micro.Blogs and WordPress? What does Bridgy do? Are there any limitations to it? For example, can I connect it with more than one space, particularly in regards to Twitter. I also find more solace in reading various reflections, listening to weekly updates and think that the main site has come along way, especially in outlining the different entry points. I think that the addition of a book would be a valuable resource. As always, I am still investigating.

So what about you? Have you had any experiences with the IndieWeb? Do you have any thoughts and comments that you would share with Chris Aldrich?


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Aaron Davis

I am an Australian educator supporting schools with the integration of technology and pedagogical innovation. I have an interest in how together we can work to make a better world.

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13 thoughts on “My #IndieWeb Reflections

  1. Reading Aaron’s #IndieWeb Reflections, I want to say #metoo, but without debasing that hashtag.
    I’m struck that he and I seem to be in very much the same place. I too find it hard to explain; but then again, I don’t try much. I too get lost in the mechanics, although I am slowly making progress. I too juggle multiple spaces, unsuccessfully.
    I’m hoping for good things from the book Chris Aldrich has already started working on, and I keep trying to educate myself. In the end, though, I feel (and fear) that the silos have answered the “how do I publish this on the internet?” question so effectively, for so many people, that the impetus to learn and make things — as I learned NucleusCMS — almost two decades ago, is all but gone. Discovering content management systems and weblogging, after hand coding a clunky monthly newsletter, was almost magical. I doubt that today’s “publishers” feel anything like the same satisfaction, but I get it again from the IndieWeb.

    <a href="https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/tag:Geeky">Geeky</a>
    <a href="https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/tag:Indieweb">Indieweb</a>

    1. I really like your point Jeremy about satisfaction. I wonder if it comes down to why you are publishing? For me, I am interested in developing ideas. If your interest is simply pushing out information, then maybe a more ‘safe and secure’ platform is preferred. Something to think about I guess.

  2. My #IndieWeb Reflections by Aaron Davis (Read Write Respond)

    Chris Aldrich’s recent post outlining a proposal for a book about everything #IndieWeb spurred me to finish collecting together my own experiences.

    Aaron has some interesting thoughts might help the transition of Generation 1 to Generation 2 and beyond.
    Syndicated copies to:

    Author: Chris Aldrich

    I'm a biomedical and electrical engineer with interests in information theory, complexity, evolution, genetics, signal processing, theoretical mathematics, and big history.

    I’m also a talent manager-producer-publisher in the entertainment industry with expertise in representation, distribution, finance, production, content delivery, and new media.
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  3. My #IndieWeb Reflections by Aaron Davis (Read Write Respond)

    Chris Aldrich’s recent post outlining a proposal for a book about everything #IndieWeb spurred me to finish collecting together my own experiences.

    Aaron has some interesting thoughts might help the transition of Generation 1 to Generation 2 and beyond.​​​​​
    Syndicated copies to:

    Author: Chris Aldrich

    I'm a biomedical and electrical engineer with interests in information theory, complexity, evolution, genetics, signal processing, theoretical mathematics, and big history.

    I’m also a talent manager-producer-publisher in the entertainment industry with expertise in representation, distribution, finance, production, content delivery, and new media.
    View all posts by Chris Aldrich

  4. My #IndieWeb Reflections by Aaron Davis (Read Write Respond)

    Chris Aldrich’s recent post outlining a proposal for a book about everything #IndieWeb spurred me to finish collecting together my own experiences.

    Aaron has some interesting thoughts might help the transition of Generation 1 to Generation 2 and beyond.​​​​​
    Syndicated copies to:

    Author: Chris Aldrich

    I'm a biomedical and electrical engineer with interests in information theory, complexity, evolution, genetics, signal processing, theoretical mathematics, and big history.

    I’m also a talent manager-producer-publisher in the entertainment industry with expertise in representation, distribution, finance, production, content delivery, and new media.
    View all posts by Chris Aldrich

  5. I sent a web mention from my own site, via Telegraph, and got this in (part) of reply: Maybe you should investigate.

    Your access to this site has been limited
    Reason: POST received with blank user-agent and referer

  6. Hi Aaron, nice to read from another Australian looking into the IndieWeb. 🙂
    You’re right that the concepts used in the IndieWeb haven’t yet solidified into something that less technical users can grasp. I guess that’s what makes it fun for more technical people to play with, and yet is a frustration for those just looking for something that works.
    To try and answer your questions: brid.gy publishes posts from your site to silos such as Facebook and Twitter. You’re right that this is a one to one mapping from your site to one account on each silo, though you can publish to both silos at the same time in one post. brid.gy will also listen for replies on those silo accounts and send them back to your site as webmentions.
    The differences between Known, Micro.blog and WordPress is going to be a long list 🙂 but I’m guessing you mean from the perspective of a new user learning about the IndieWeb? I don’t use any of them, but WordPress looks like it has the easiest set up process for installing IndieWeb modules. Known has more IndieWeb functionality built into it’s core, but I think getting it set up in the first place might take more work than WordPress. Micro.blog is quite different from the other two, it’s IndieWeb friendly but only provides a hosted service.

    via unicyclic.com

  7. I wouldn’t call it “an alternative way of working on the web”, but as the original way of working on the web. True to the methods of the original web that made all this possible.

    I also would emphasize the higher security of the real web compared to the closed silos of Twitter et al.

    Just my two escudos.

  8. Jumping back into the Indieweb. Hopefully this will work – I’m sending some webmentions along with my first post.
    Hello World. (and Jeremy and Aaron)

  9. November 3-10, 2017
    Recent Events
    From indieweb.org/events#Recent:

    Social Web Incubator Community Group meeting at W3C TPAC 2017
    Monday, November 6Sandpebble E conference room, Hyatt Regency SFO, Burlingame, CA

    IndieWebCamp Berlin
    November 4 – November 5Contentful GmbH
    IndieWebCamp Berlin 2017

    Upcoming Events
    From indieweb.org/events#Upcoming:

    Homebrew Website Club Meetup
    Wednesday, November 15 at 5:30pm
    Brighton, Baltimore, San Francisco

    Homebrew Website Club Berlin
    BERLIN, Germany: IN-Berlin
    Join us for an evening of quiet writing, wiki editing, IndieWeb demos and discussions!

    Create or update your personal web site!
    Finish that blog post you’ve been writing, edit the wiki!
    Demos of recent IndieWeb breakthroughs, share what you’ve gotten working!
    Join a community with like-minded interests. Bring friends that want a personal site!
    Any questions? Ask in the chatroom!

    Homebrew Website Club Meetup
    Wednesday, November 29 at 5:30pm
    Brighton, Baltimore, San Francisco

    Homebrew Website Club Berlin
    BERLIN, Germany: IN-Berlin
    Join us for an evening of quiet writing, wiki editing, IndieWeb demos and discussions!

    Create or update your personal web site!
    Finish that blog post you’ve been writing, edit the wiki!
    Demos of recent IndieWeb breakthroughs, share what you’ve gotten working!
    Join a community with like-minded interests. Bring friends that want a personal site!
    Any questions? Ask in the chatroom!

    Homebrew Website Club Meetup
    Wednesday, December 6 at 5:30pmPORTLAND, Oregon: DreamHost
    Homebrew Website Club Meetup
    Join us for an evening of quiet writing, wiki editing, IndieWeb demos and discussions!

    Create or update your personal web site!
    Finish that blog post you’ve been writing, edit the wiki!
    Demos of recent IndieWeb breakthroughs, share what you’ve gotten working!
    Join a community with like-minded interests. Bring friends that want a personal site!
    Any questions? Ask in the chatroom!

    Homebrew Website Club Meetup
    Wednesday, December 13 at 5:30pm
    Brighton, Baltimore, San Francisco

    Homebrew Website Club Meetup
    Wednesday, December 27 at 5:30pm
    Brighton, Baltimore, San Francisco

    Podcasts
    From huffduffer.com/tags/indieweb:

    This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • October 28th – November 3rd, 2017

    Audio edition for This Week in the IndieWeb for October 28th – November 3rd, 2017. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-11-03.html

    You can find all of my audio editions here: https://martymcgui.re/podcasts/indieweb/

    Music from Aaron Parecki’s 100DaysOfMusic project https://100.aaronparecki.com: Day 85 – Suit, Day 48 – Glitch, Day 49 – Floating, Day 9, and Day 11.

    Thanks to everyone in the #indieweb chat for their feedback and suggestions. Please drop me a note if there are any changes you’d like to see for this audio edition!

    https://martymcgui.re/2017/11/04/155507/

    Posts about the IndieWeb
    From news.indieweb.org:

    👓 My #IndieWeb Reflections by Aaron Davis | Read Write Respond
    by readwriterespond.com on November 10

    Indigenous for iOS App Beta
    by eddiehinkle.com on November 10

    Omnibear version 0.6.1
    by omnibear.com on November 9

    I’m signing on and standing up for the #indieweb cause | James Shelley
    by jamesshelley.com on November 6

    New Community Members
    From IndieWeb Wiki: New User Pages:
    User:Jackjamieson.net
    Jack Jamieson is a researcher and web dev from Toronto, Canada.
    Created by Jackjamieson.net on Friday
    New Wiki Pages
    From IndieWeb Wiki: New Pages:
    2017/Berlin/Schedule
    Schedule for IndieWebCamp Berlin 2017:
    Created by http://Www.svenknebel.de on Saturday and edited 10 more times
    BBS
    BBS is an abbreviation for Bulletin board system; pre-internet decentralized social hubs see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system.
    Created by petermolnar on Friday with 2 more edits by kaja.sknebel.net and http://www.svenknebel.de
    personas
    Personas are part of an ongoing exercise related to improving onboarding of future generations of IndieWeb users.
    Created by http://Www.boffosocko.com on Friday and edited 1 more time
    Template:markmhendrickson
    Created by Markmhendrickson.com on Sunday
    events/2017-12-06-homebrew-website-club
    Homebrew Website Club Meetup
    Created by Aaronparecki.com on Tuesday
    Changed Wiki Pages
    From IndieWeb Wiki: Recent Changes:

    Planning 6 edits by markmhendrickson.com, seblog.nl and doubleloop.net

    h-card 5 edits by http://www.boffosocko.com and vanderven.se martijn

    Events 5 edits by tantek.com, aaronparecki.com and vanderven.se martijn

    2017/Berlin 4 edits by http://www.svenknebel.de, jkphl.is and sebastiangreger.net

    Indigenous 3 edits by eddiehinkle.com

    rel-me 2 edits by http://www.boffosocko.com

    verified 2 edits by http://www.boffosocko.com

    IRC People 2 edits by radiopetushki.net

    Firefox Share 2 edits by unrelenting.technology

    expiring content 2 edits by tantek.com and loqi.me

    2017/Berlin/Guest List 2 edits by alex-cio.de and fmarx.com

    User:Kaja.sknebel.net 2 edits by http://www.svenknebel.de

    payment 2 edits by tantek.com and aaronparecki.com

    Twitter 2 edits by loqi.me and aaronparecki.com

    Micropub/Clients 2 edits by eddiehinkle.com

    authorization-endpoint 1 edit by jeena.net

    cookie 1 edit by sebastiangreger.net

    Bridgy 1 edit by mlncn.withknown.com profile mlncn

    Facebook 1 edit by jeremycherfas.net

    h-review 1 edit by aaronparecki.com

    Firefox 1 edit by unrelenting.technology

    2017/site-refresh 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    Firefox Social API 1 edit by unrelenting.technology

    story 1 edit by aaronparecki.com

    Workflow 1 edit by aaronparecki.com

    js;dr 1 edit by tantek.com

    this-week-in-the-indieweb 1 edit by loqi.me

    generations 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    Indieweb for Education 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    onboarding 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    GUID 1 edit by tantek.com

    Top-level-domain 1 edit by loqi.me

    book 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    Category:building-blocks 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    microformats 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    short-domains 1 edit by aaronparecki.com

    silo-quits 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    authorship 1 edit by aaronparecki.com

    representative h-card 1 edit by http://www.svenknebel.de

    personal-domain 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    User:00dani.me 1 edit by 00dani.me

    blogroll 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    events/2017-11-08-homebrew-website-club 1 edit by aaronparecki.com

    hwcpdx 1 edit by aaronparecki.com

    2017/Düsseldorf/onboarding 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    2017/Nuremberg/onboarding 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    2016/Berlin/onboarding 1 edit by http://www.boffosocko.com

    recommendation 1 edit by gregorlove.com

    migration 1 edit by aaronparecki.com

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